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HwN_PwN · Feb 06, 2008, 03:47 AM // 03:47

Hi I was wondering if i could use a Icy Long Sword of Enchanting Cold Dmg: 6-9 (Req NONE) Armor +5 (w/Casting) HCT (chance 5%) Enchantments last 20% longer for my negative set since it doesnt have +5e instead of the normal Low Energy set: Weapon with +30 Health and -5 energy.

«Ripskin · Feb 06, 2008, 04:31 AM // 04:31

You can hide your energy a whole lot better with -5.

tuna-fish_sushi · Feb 06, 2008, 04:39 AM // 04:39

yea that Longsword (crystalline skin) does look hawt but a -5 weapon is best because you gain 5 energy and the +5 energy from weapon

duckboy · Feb 06, 2008, 08:52 AM // 08:52

ok example time:

say u have 65 energy,
ur Crystaline Longsword atm gives u nothin in extra energy, thus meaning ur at 65 still,
now what would happen if a mesmer with an energy draining build of awesomeness zapped all ur energy?
u'd stand there wanding stuff mostly am I right?

NOW, lets look at the -5 weapon.

u now have 60 energy whilst holding a -5 energy wep.
The mesmer of awesomeness zapps it all to 0.
now comes the smart thing that pvp players love to to

u cunningly switch to ur +5 energy weapon and BOOM u have instant 10 energy again, thereby confusing the memser and thus ur able to kill him effectivly without the need of silly wanding =)

the instant 10 energy is because the -5 lowered ur 65 energy to 60. This meant the mesmer could only 'drain' that 60. once u switch to ur +5 weapon u got the 5 energy back from not having the -5 mod but also another +5 from the new weapon ur holding. This is what pvp'ers call 'hiding ur energy'

so basically, just because it doesn't have a +5 mod, does that mean its as good as a -5? nope, cos ur not 'hiding' the energy just mearly lowering ur max by 5 which means, yes, u'd get +5 on wep change at 0 energy, but u could have got +10 with the good ol' -5 mod

HwN_PwN · Feb 07, 2008, 12:09 AM // 00:09

For the -5 weapon the weapon should be -5e with +30 hp?

«Ripskin · Feb 07, 2008, 01:20 AM // 01:20

yes
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NamelessBeauty · Feb 14, 2008, 10:58 PM // 22:58

20% enchant if you have some long last enchants. Else go for +30 HP

And don't use -5e. In most case, it won't help. Just use either 10% or +5 is fine. A shield is a neg set itself which work the best if you can heal/prot with around 10e.

Div · Feb 15, 2008, 12:28 AM // 00:28

There's been a big debate on whether to use +5 or -5. People such as Ensign and Tommy have advocated the +5, while a lot of Euros have supported -5 energy weapons. Mitch jokingly brought up the usage of a 10% weapon as a compromise, and it really isn't that bad if you use that long sword from presearing as a caster weapon. Since energy denial isn't that prevalent in PvE, using the long sword could be good since it provides you a bonus while being able to hide energy compared to the +5. The downside is that you get one less cast in your low set.

RhanoctJocosa · Feb 15, 2008, 11:45 AM // 11:45

i have a -5 sword + focus set that i keep in my inventory in case i need it. otherwise, +5/sheild and the usual dual ward/focus sets and staff.

JR · Feb 15, 2008, 01:52 PM // 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by holymasamune

There's been a big debate on whether to use +5 or -5. People such as Ensign and Tommy have advocated the +5, while a lot of Euros have supported -5 energy weapons. Mitch jokingly brought up the usage of a 10% weapon as a compromise, and it really isn't that bad if you use that long sword from presearing as a caster weapon. Since energy denial isn't that prevalent in PvE, using the long sword could be good since it provides you a bonus while being able to hide energy compared to the +5. The downside is that you get one less cast in your low set.

In some fictional situation where you are unable to open your inventory and change that sword slot at will maybe that wouldn't be a bad idea. Sadly you can, so it's dumb.

The arguement that you somehow need to have a default sword in that slot is also retarded. Use a -5e if they have active denial, and a +5e if they don't. The extra energy in your shield set will allow you to sit in it more comfortably, thus being able to make more use of the additional armor and health.

the_jos · Feb 15, 2008, 06:27 PM // 18:27

In PvE, this should not matter that much.
I usually have the following sets:
- negative (-5e sword of Shelter and Forgotten Fan)
- Normal (+5e axe of enchanting and shield with +health when hexed)
- Prot set (+5e axe of enchanting and 20/20 prot offhand)
and the last spot either
- Healing set (+5e axe of enchanting and 20/20 healing offhand)
or
- High set (+5e axe of enchanting and +15 -1e set).

I hardly ever use the high energy set and with a decent team don't even need to use the prot/healing set that often.

The difference between negative and normal set is 12e and between normal and prot also 12e.
Enough to get one important spell of before switching back.
The negative is mainly used when under energy pressure, but that does not happen that often.
Or when using builds including skills like Purge Signet, Holy Wrath or Ether Signet.

fainty · Feb 16, 2008, 12:36 AM // 00:36

In the past i used a lot off times shield sets.

emergancy set (dunno if i used a +5 weap and +15/-1 offhand or both +15/-1)
normal set, depends on times... started with +5 weap and +30hp offhand
high energy defensive; +5 energy sword, +30hp shield
low energy defensive; -5 energy sword, +30hp shield

used a lot off weap switch back in hexmeta where purge siggy where mosrely meta on monks also. and sat a lot off times in low energy defensive against hexway, co'z you didn't needed that much energy overall to be well against it, recharge off the most important skill made it more worse then actual energy need...

nowaday my sets are more standard and my defensive set is +30hp shield with 10% fct spear with +30hp. prot staff with dual fast casting time and enchant mod.
first set will be still emergancy and is nowaday dual +15/-1. the 3th set is morely on 40/40 heal or prot.

energy in total set;
set 1; 72 (emergancy)
set 2; 40 (40/20/20 staff)
set 3; 42 (40/40 wand/offhand)
set 4; 30 (defensive)

i use the staff set the most, can maybe better say always... i don't think their is a need for +5 and -5 energy spear/axe/sword anymore like it was in the past...

Hundbert · Feb 16, 2008, 11:27 PM // 23:27

There isn't much e-denial in pvp anymore. You can just keep a -5 weapon in inventory to swap to should you ever need it.

You can't hide energy from power leak anyway so this discussion is meh at best.

masta_yoda · Feb 22, 2008, 08:16 AM // 08:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hundbert

There isn't much e-denial in pvp anymore. You can just keep a -5 weapon in inventory to swap to should you ever need it.

You can't hide energy from power leak anyway so this discussion is meh at best.

iway!! feer me

edit: lol never checked it

I D E L E T E D I · Feb 22, 2008, 01:34 PM // 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by masta_yoda

iway!! feer me

fear me got nerfed

Hundbert · Feb 24, 2008, 06:59 PM // 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by masta_yoda

iway!! feer me

See JR's post.